Thank you for the enlightening blog.

I would like to testify and thank God for providing us with plastic surgery.

My second daughter, Ariel is born with a cleft palate. I was terribly upset but thank God for plastic surgery. No longer milk flow out of her nose and Praise God, she is taking solids well now! I can imagine the life she would have if she does not have her cleft palate repair!

I believe God has given us many options in life to enjoy. However, whatever we do, the bottom line is to follow the leading of the Holy Spirit and at peace.

Shalom! =)
Sharon

Is this your real name? =) I assume you are “not a coward”, so what is your full name?

I am happy to hear that you do not have issues or need any help.

The “personal input” you made in your previous post is best kept personal. Once aired on a public platform, such as on Pastor Kong’s homepage, it becomes a public accusation, deserving to be substantiated or debunked.

For example, it is my personal input, based on my experience of your earlier post, to think that you are not very gracious nor kind.

But if I make it public on this public forum, I can no longer excuse my words by saying that it is just my “personal input from my own experience”. I hope you understand.

Regarding the statement I made about being in church for a decade, I am happy to hear that we are in agreement that the time spent in church is no support for the (un)kind judgments made on the Pastor Kong & Sun.

“I have been your church member for 3 years to SHOW …” Ariel
(caps mine)

I made that statement to expose the logical flaw of your above argument. I hope you understand.

Nonetheless, I am happy we both agree that using time spent in church as support for such arguments is weak and meaningless.

Finally, with regards to my moniker. By no means, would I suggest that I “have better judgment” or “know better” than you.

But, come, let us reason together.

For your interest,

Philo in Greek stands for Love.

Sophie in Greek stands for Knowledge.

Philosophers, are so called, because they are lovers of knowledge; lovers of truth.

And by opposition, they dislike falsehoods, deceits and lies.

And hence my response to you, Ariel T.

I believe that’s a name you gave yourself, but you are far from being a philosopher. My previous post does not contain accusations or assumptions. These are my comments and my personal inputs from my own experience at City Harvest, Just because you were there 10 years do not mean you have a better judgment than me. Just because you call yourself a philosopher does not mean that you know better than me. Even as you are so affected by my judgment of Kong Hee and Sun Ho, in no way does that give you the right to judge me.
#If you do have issues, please contact the church pastoral workers, and I am sure that they will be happy to help you#
I do not have issues, nor do I need any help from City Harvester workers. Please don’t act like you know everything. If you are not a coward, please use your real name next time, and stop using “philosopher” to hide your identity.

Ariel T

Please substantiate your criticisms of Sun and of your accusation of Pastor Kong.

Just making attacks like that, though easy, is not very respectable, particularly when your insinuations are neither kind nor gracious.

Just saying that you have been in church for 3 years holds no water.

I have been in the church for more than a decade and I have never heard of anything you mischievously suggested.

If you do have issues, please contact the church pastoral workers, and I am sure that they will be happy to help you.

And if you do read the post carefully, Pastor Kong is far from advocating criticism towards people who undergo plastic surgery.

Hence, the assumption behind your comment is flawed, fundamentally and fatally.

Hair transplantation and Lasik may be signs of vanity, but there are many forms of vanity besides plastic surgery. I find it highly ironical that you should talk about vanity when your wife, Ho Yeow Sun, occurs to be one of the vainest persons I ever know. Isn’t dyeing your hair from black to blond, and showing off your cleavage signs of vanity? You don’t have to quote from the bible to show me what is vanity and what is not. I have been your church member for 3 years to show that Ho Yeow Sun is one of the vainest persons I’ve ever come across. While delivering church sermons, she talked repeatedly about her having more than 20 boyfriends, and referred to herself as a “school flower”. That, to me, is vanity. I repeat, one doesn’t have to go for plastic surgery or wear contact lenses to be classified as vain. In church, you once criticized a church member for going for “Star Search” when your wife eventually becomes a pop star herself. Oh please…practice what you preach. Don’t criticize others when you yourself might do the same thing in future. ‘Cos you can never be sure that you or your wife Yeow Sun won’t go for botox when you’re old (probably in just a few years’ time.)

Actually I only agree to a certain extent but not all the time. In cases where the Bible offer no restriction I look at the motive behind the issues.

Say for example, the Bible doesn’t say lottery, 4D is wrong at all. Does it mean it’s a matter of preference? So by looking at the motives behind we all know it’s covetousness.

Same thing with cosmetic surgery, if normal looking people, some even very beautiful, do it then it’s got to be vanity. Some very beautiful women do plastic surgery because they think the nose is too round and not sharp enough.

Another area is fashion, is fashion amoral and a matter of personal preference? Now I’m not against fashion but I’m not crazy about it either. But when do people do shopping every week and spend half their salary on expensive clothings just to look good, always conscious of their look spend all the time talking about it, there has got to be vanity somewhere.

Isn’t fashion amoral, no right and wrong? Why then did Paul wrote the below?

9 in like manner also, that the women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with propriety and moderation, NOT with braided hair or gold or pearls or costly clothing

Maybe it’s outdated for this modern time I guess.

I read your post on July 18th, 2009 11:22 pm. You mentioned that you disagree with the argument that: “In such cases where there is no clear restriction, they are not issues of right or wrong, sin or righteousness; they are simply matters of personal preferences.”

My question to you would be: In those cases where the Bible has no clear restriction (i.e. neither moral nor immoral), how do you judge? By what code or standard would you base your judgment on?

I stand by the moral values of the Bible. But when it comes to issues with no clear restriction, I stand by “they are simply matters of personal preferences.”

Sure. you are on His side.

& IhopeyouareNOTwrong on this. =)

Let the Joy of the Lord shall be your strength!

cheers,
Frank Lee

’nuff said!